The SFFaudio Podcast #640 – Jesse, Paul Weimer, Maissa Bessada, Evan Lampe, Will Emmons, Bryan Alexander, Marshall Boyd, and Steven Johnson talk about Four Futures: Life After Capitalism by Peter Frase
Talked about on today’s show:
Mr. Asset and Mr. Android from the Androids and Assets podcast, how you say his name, Red Plenty, Trekonomics, a huge Trekkie, Star Trek, a socialist, the same premise, Manuu Saddia, very socialist, socialism for capitalists (aka not socialism), the cover, the lock is about DRM and copyright and rentism, a political compass, equity and heirarchy, east west of abundance and scarcity, the 3D printer, laying down the filament, a lock going into a box, a skull, a plant, a martini, the paperback cover, a wine glass and a watering can, exterminism, class struggle and ecology, we’re all going to get plowed under, food for the security guards, martini glass is communism, luxury communism, a Banksian (as in Ian M. Banks), rebuilding our relationship with the earth, green new deal, each individual essay, the most vs. the least compelling part of the book, the replacement of everything bad with new bad things, UBI as a road to communism, the section on rentism, tangible, plausible, the axis with the four futures, future communism, I dunno, Star Trek?, Cuba in the 1990s, Children Of Men, Mad Max, and Elysium, too mannered, liberal preaching, voting for Nancy Pelosi again, Black Mirror’s 15 Million Merits is most people’s lives, the guy on the bike, they blend together, there’s a girl, he became part of the system, that episode rules, the communist dystopia, by way of Cory Doctorow, it brings you to the truth and you have to cry for a while, Mr Android and Mr Assett, a complete watch through, two bi-weekly shows, Odo and Chief O’Brien are coming back from a conference, a regular pretty crystal, a box of Denibian chocolates, can I buy one of those things from you?, paying Quark rent, let the asset speak, Steven, setting a lane, DS9 vs. TNG, Frase is harsh on bitcoin, doge coin, how is bitcoin related to any of this, a lot of possibilities, towards exterminism, post-currency, money is a tool by which we disperse material goods, beyond money, Bajorans and Ferengi, the parking segment, dilithium currency?, gold pressed latinum, the Bajoran currency, a permanent resident, some sort of exchange rate, that happens in Morns’ stomach, being a gold bug for nerds, having your shit locked down by the empire, you can’t do that with bitcoin, its not being gatekept, US sanction law, Venezuela, digital transit, their own cryptocurrency, an alternative to using a system with a key, the effect is to make every point of mining a verification bank, use it to store value, speaking as a miner, doge coin, a reddit credit, a one time patreon sort of thing, “shady” websites, it has value that’s convertible, what its ultimate fate is, it is the thing that they say it is, I like what you do, why anyone wants latinum, little bits of green paper, there’s demand for it, you have to pay your taxes in your national currency, undermining national sovereignty, a point David Graeber made, the bronze age days, why have taxes at all, the government needs to buy things, mercenaries, fiat currency, UBI doesn’t work with bitcoin, wealth and value are social relationships, anarcho-communists, money is important, money is a tool of coercion, it is not antithetical for a socialist state to do coercion, the political compass posits, pull levers on people, pull levers on the economy, the dangerous idea, a large E economy, social darwinism, importing the logic, saved by a technological replicator messiah, the moral test, for us to have a good future, replicator heaven, seize the communist future, class struggle, the 2am undergrad problem, dude socialism is the answer, we need complete fascism, humans are fundamentally evil, in every political philosophy you have to structure the human subject, educational psychology, a strong self, marriage, your past self blocks your future self, what coercion is going to look like, #ForceTheVote, unpopular with the elites who want jobs, a technique to expose, what happened on January 6th, 2021, a tweet about Mao, if Trump was such a danger he would nationalize Twitter, he’s weak seed, the only reason his shitty weeds are growing, some furniture got broken, on the political compass, everybody ends up in the same grid, everybody is in the bottom left hand corner, except for the serial killers and the oligarchs, when they place historical figures on the political compass, ideology, the weapon that socialist have, dialectical materialism, they key to an awakening, Q Shaman, he dressed for success, he dressed for the job he wanted, a new domestic terrorism law, Sergey Brin and the other dude need to know, exterminate the exterminators, not doing the work of futurism, the William Gibson quote, the rentism section, pushing the public domain, copyright maximalists, hoarding and restricting, post-scarcity, the treasure is wonderful, the ultimate fiat currency, if Jesse’s holding a candle, in this section of anti-rentism, the Arkenstone of this treasure horde, its the discussion, an amazingly cool poem from 1865, material restrictions, the new struggle, a lot of time looking at treasures, the future we should be fighting for, beheading people all the time, luxury communism, Elysium (2013), obvious, didactic, dumb, John Maynard Keynes, plenty and abundance and post-scarcity, space communism, fully automated luxury gay communism, Star Trek/Iain M. Banks, anti-science in the left, fear of being slackers, moral hazard, mincome, 30 hours a week, love baking, socializing with co-workers, teachers, happy to be back from the Christmas break, a social activity, school was prison, no yard time, humans need socialization, love learning, sports fans (aliens), school is a machine for sports, fiction set in schools, slacking off means getting at playing guitar, computer games, heroin, the idea of left vs. right, people who wanna be rich and keep what they have, Trump banned from Twitter and Facebook, exercising power, looking at takes on twitter, what the argument is, principle, hypocritical behavior is contemptible, flipping the axis, for abundance in equality, scarcity is a partial reality, hierarchy is a massive reality, even podcasts can be de-listed, the only thing that are independent, we have a bottom top thing, the danger of third positionism, inviting destructive people into the movement, q-anon, books about literal sea-pirates, how Jesse runs this podcast, the quartermaster of the ship, so called left or so called right, not adhering to principle, third-way-ism?, Tulsi Gabbard, Jesse’s been tricked before, is this a right left thing?, top down, cool tweets about Mao, politics and command, Will’s know Peter his whole life, Democratic Socialists of America, more time being a political organizer, Scandinavia, bourgeois property relations, universal basic income, some options, less of a socialist media sphere, it was lonely to be a socialist in 2013, no barrier to entry, Marxism-Leninism, lots of things to scream about, how you know we are succeeding, UBI’s role, if the climate tanks, Will’s in the watering-can school, from the Maoist tradition, be a highly ethical person, building socialism under extreme conditions, a sacrifice mindset, that topical twitter thing, Mao Zedong, January 5th, 2021, invading the Capital, a 10,000 mile view, classics, the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, an escalation of events, the [kidnapping] plot against Gretchen Whitmer, looking for the Vice President, how you wind up with a Caesar, they just want some of Nancy Pelosi’s ice-creams, what’s scary, responding in a “disciplined” way, you hate to see people die, back in the bag, Q-Shaman is funny, anti-fascist, the corporations are not funding them, not a private army, taking marching orders, they faced death, what if they had a competent leader?, clown car, January 10th, crossing the Rubicon, the French Revolution, the technique seems to be deny, eating that ice cream rocking back and forth in front of twin $12,000 refrigerators, the $700 subscription to ice-cream through the mail, standing up fro the Roman senators, Paul is Cicero, lawful anarchy, incrementally change over time, slowly ease ourselves into the exterminism future, Mad Max or the U.S. Constitution, why are you calling them fascists?, a billionaire leader, a terrible system, lawless anarchy, chaotic evil, Joe Biden, the entire premise of the Biden campaign, capital’s chosen candidate, what’s scary to Maissa, how did we get here, that great Paul Robeson movie THE EMPEROR JONES, we need to live in the public domain, be reasonable or get the guillotines out, we need to limit the head-chopping, a Von Neumann machine guillotine, the October Road is terrible, incredibly destructive war, WWI, the Chinese revolution, political power comes out of the barrel of a gun, moralism, 24 characters, 12 points of socialism, patience, frugality, Mao the first 10 years, the Cultural Revolution, those Mao years, banning prostitution, the cadre class, that global 60s generation, that 60s revolt, the sending down of the youth, raw particular calculus, sex and race, where’s that quantum leap moment for China, the pandemic, a catalyst?, a blip?, the mask law in Quebec, the Edmontonians, no religious equipment in government employment, we go from nobody’s allowed to face-cover to everyone must face cover, unmasked people on January 6th event, a minor demonstration, without masks or shirts, people don’t like being told what to do, he’s shopping at Walmart, this attack, you have to do this, you can’t do that, is revealing, an interesting reveal, Q*bert, Singapore, Sweden, Anthony Fauci telling people not to wear masks, freebooting vigilante justice, Hubei province, doxxed by social media in China, stoking nationalism, no anti-China frenzy, a massive moral panic, the 5G panic, the Huawei panic, the Wuhan or China virus, it didn’t land on fertile ground, there are Chinese under your bed, Russians under your bed, top down, the Prole feed, the functionaries are psychotic for this stuff, the people at the bottom, their change guy, in that conversation, a lot of people putting faith in a bad faith actor, that resentment and desperation is not going away, clobbering the economy for the people at the bottom, economic inequality, gutted business, fumbled support, causing hatred, the five people who died on the 6th, the Black Lives Matters protests, Ferguson, Standing Rock, fantastic entertainment, the new impeachment, 1.9 million deaths worldwide, 400,000 dead, a special case for the way its funded in the states, a talking point on the right, not true at all, the CDC, 10-20% higher than it should have been, congestive heart failure, stroke, under-attributed, overwhelmed and under-trained staff, this amount of death, towards greater hierarchy?, more widespread scarcity?, is it the lighter fluid?, a 15 minute deal at a Spanish university, another layer for exterminism, vectors of disease, the elderly, the lumpenprole, Doctorow’s explainer character, surplus people, need to liquidate or reassign, surplus population, put them on an energy board in Ukraine, #failSon, #failChild, McCain, the rentism future, an amazing article, the Washington Post $2021 bonus for pushing the non-$2000 story, being paid in bluecheks, double bluecheks, platinum checks, accelerating, the Tantor narrator, Accelerando, what Tantor is doing with these books, non-fiction, that H.P. Lovecraft biography by W. Scott Poole, Bryan you can do anything you want, Academia Next by Bryan Alexander, for Jesse’s personal UBI, the Jesse vig, if it needs to be ripped, an AI version of Bryan, the notorious page 23, how would an a pandemic change academia?, Bill Gates and covid, in an absence of a media that does it fuckin job, do propaganda all day, all these things that are happening, every crisis is an opportunity, Patriot Act 2, we’re gonna back it, you’re gonna make so much money!, we’re never going to break you up, all part of a plan, its happening daily, who’s responsible for this, getting the details, Q-Anon Shaman is wrong about Venezuela, increasing authority, turning to Mohdi in India?, Justin needs to be kicked out of his #failson job, the head chopping future that’s being pushed upon us, Ed Broadbent, Jack Layton, Brian Mulroney, being all friendly and nice aint going to get you there, he likes Star Trek, disabled in British Columbia, a good manager, what we’re being pushed to is idiots like Trump, outsider behavior as a hope for change, founding the CCF, an insurance company, a boring job, how the people on Risa are getting paid for their sex-work, getting buff at the gym for their horga’hn work, social credit, whuffie not Whoopi, Captain’s Holiday, how conservative Worf is, conservative and locked down, you all are immoral whores, sex indoors is boring, its unbelievable, a really good book, its only flaw is it isn’t programmatic, apply that energy to build something positive, Jesse is too hard on Enterprise, so post Roddenberry, a lot of decent sci-fi stories, just fun, meets a hot guy and bangs, bachelors, now’s our time, duped by high tech cross depressing, the horga’hn has a removable top (and is full of condoms), Discovery is such shit, pre-luxury communism mode, “Who Mourns For Adonais?”, the one with Apollo, a giant green hand grabs the ship, a new CGI hand, the only appearance of Gene Roddenberry, generic CGI green hand, we’re having our things stolen from us, why you have to have your own copy of that show, Chris Pine is replacing our Kirk, that terrible Heroes show, his plan to make things better for humans, one more thing about UBI, all four futures had UBI, can Will answer this?, Bismarkian politics, UBI as a tool for good or evil, predictions before it happens, not impeached, is Trump going to pardon Julian Assange?, Paul says no, if he recognizes Taipei, reputation among whack jobs, you can’t come on me, own the libs, the Russian global conspiracy, too busy, nobody is going to be paying for it, cash rewards, bribes or down the road, Bryan was a no, minimal futurism, that Taiwan thing, a Taiwanese nationalist in every direction, non-white people can be horrible imperialist?, iridentism, Maissa: no, too busy, he’s not thinking about Julian Assange, a particular reason to do it, I can’t even communicate with the planet I am controlling, Suez, Panama, literally runs the planet, such an own, in front of Nancy Pelosi’s stolen lectern, Republicans have no way to communicate now, it should be internationalized, one day you’re going to get deleted, a categorical imperative, Google killed blogging, a great story, a principle, we should be hearing from the serial killers.
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