Jesse and Scott talk about Spacemen Lost by George O. Smith
Talked about on today’s show:
aka Lost In Space, the same book, Virgil Finlay art, our heroine in a space-bathing suit, castaways, survivors, our third George O. Smith, a drug in it, go save my girlfriend, plot points, set in the future, alien race, Hellflower, Highways In Hiding, hard to love, the ending, in a Simakian way, maybe we just be friends, the Iranians rowing towards your aircraft carrier, join with us, the ending, vegon sari, bunch of humans, an aside, by the way these are aliens, a very silly trick, Heinlein and others, tools of science fiction, flatcat, Spock’s pet, it has fangs, a chihuahua with a unicorn head, six inch fangs, pet celot, a fat teddy bear, the idea is the problem, what do we know about George O. Smith’s background, write what you know, “space can”, an L. Ron Hubbard story, he was a sailor, a coast guard guy?, what is the central idea of this story, a ship lost in a storm, lifeboats adrift, the currents of the sea distributing them like a shot of a shotgun, abandoning a ship, the boats don’t clump together, a lot of this book is arguments about how to do the search, why no radar, detector, not very interesting, a short story?, less notable, not the writing, the idea, search and rescue operations, what Hellflower is about, makes women weak in the knees, two diseases, the same disease, telepathy, the underground railroad, the Decepticons from Transformers, the league of Evil Mutants from The X-Men, a silly idea that kids have, a guy who could turn into a car, what if among us there are people who were persecuted, if they were better, more responsibility, so Slan as opposed, robots in disguise as trucks and cars and jukeboxes, almost four hours, over sooner, stretching the idea out, why do we spend any time in the space can?, yappin, all gonna suicide, euthanize each other, if we didn’t know them, the idea is inferior for fiction, been on a search and rescue operation, doesn’t make for a great story, forgiving, we could have been reading a Clifford D. Simak, Wizard Of Oz and Philosophy, science fiction encyclopedia, 1911 – 1981, in Astounding, QRM-Interplanetary, his more famous endeavor, forward trojan position in the orbit of Venus, if he was born in 1911, too young for WWI, a little old for WWII, publishing in the 40s, training, that’s in this book, how to fix the problem vs the theoretical stuff, training people learning function, gunsmithing vs. field repair, is it a good idea?, hero captain, space jokey, industrialist, for no good reason, I get $100 an hour, incentive to keep your people alive, a ticking clock in reverse, a Rockerfeller of whatever, a futile action, way more time or no time at all, they’re not beetles, basically dudes, you can teach us about romantic love, something you can pickup, spacemonkey, a bad episode of Star Trek, space salmon, fatal misteps, the way it is put together, a team searching, new tech ship, we can do radar, new technology does come in, why did any of that happen, engine problem, a setup to show how a search and rescue operation in space would be done, a great Star Trek episode, we would care about the characters, industrialist asshole, self-confident, the commodore is accommodating, The Galileo Seven, will they won’t they find the ship, another mission, deliver some medicine or whatever it is, the rational Mr Spock, none of that happened in our story here, got detected, at the last possible moment, take their pills, the first introduction of the Romulans, these ideas can work if you’ve got the right scenario, the right setup, searching, he gets zapped at over the speed of light, the parallax of the stars, observations, a proactive character, surly, once he’s out on the mission, a character who does stuff and takes positions, feelings, well done there, an excellent point, much tighter, these things that he’s interested in, little things that are excellent, a reality, when you connect these three things together, understanding what all the pieces do, go in to the under-hold to start peddling, exercise, not compelling, largely on the planet, Scotty is not decisive, he’s responsive, what should be done, you don’t care a shit, a decent grave, we have to be logical about this, losing the crew, a brief reading, keep those people under discipline, responsive to orders, what he could do, we need the phasers to fight these giants, there is a little bit of memorable plot, the aliens are attacking Pearl Harbour sort of thing, arm up, participate in the defense of that, the commadore trying to get his girl back, The Horror Of Fang Rock, isolated 19th century lighthouse rock, three sets of characters on this island and rock, viewpoint character, lighthouse keepers, three survivors from a ship, an industrialist, communicate with London to make a trade, the secretary (the girl), to screw other people, a guy with some honor and training, the alien is killing off characters one by one, a detective story, they don’t interact until the very end, this story can work, its setup so they can’t be proactive, communicate my name, use the exercise bike to move the ship, you don’t know how big space is, bro, closer to her fiance, the admiral, if you want to be promoted, following orders [beyond the letter], the conflict, call off the search, he disobeys orders, does he get the girl at the end?, we don’t know, problems with this book, not super-fixable, they’re fundamental, I spent all this time constructing, we’re not going to remember this book at all in six-months, the best of his space operas, Wesley Long, Nomad, the book cover looked good, he Venus Equilateral stories, works by George O. Smith, LibriVox has been having problems, blue screens of death, Amateur In Chancery, scientists do science in space, beautiful Astounding cover for Nomad, Alien, aliens working machines, a human in a spacesuit coming in a crack in the spaceship, December 1944, over three issues, a short novel, how to spell George, Operation Interstellar, the sniff test, an Ace Double it should be fun, realtime communication across space, Z-Wave technology, that doesn’t sound great to me, telepathy, Time For The Stars, telepathic twins, the earth rate, the space rate, he marries his grand-niece, a cool bunch of stuff, why they have dead-zones, it works even though it is imperfect, other ideas underground, are they homo-superior or a disease, some guy inventing a technology that doesn’t exist, turn back to our old friend Clifford Simak, the crew abandons the ship, taken to the future, time barge, where the losses went, disappeared on a sea-voyage, a lot of mountains, go hiking and disappear, search and rescue crews who just exist, wilderness and a place where people can go missing, elderly Chinese man got lost in the woods, the right search algorithms, rural France, the water in which I swim, mountainous area, dense pine forest, for skiing, make an injury, The Headless Valley (1958), a part of the Nahanni River in NWT, turning up without their heads, a head eating monster?, a volcanic spring, tropical all year round, wild and strange country full of mosquitos, 16mm film, feature length, they took a lot of film, only him and his wife, he’ll die, it’s just that wild, a cave occupied by humans, inherently interesting to the people involved in it, some of the drama in this story, a search cone, where they jumped out of hyperspace, the theoretical reality, decelerated out of hyperspace, drifting in a cone, doing my best to like it, they way he constructed it, not much is happening, what repetition there was was not needed, the search continues, one of the remarkable things in here, to wash herself, her futuristic clothing that dries instantly, nylon, I love nylon, silk stockings, the future: it’s coming, City by Simak, take those story by story, one of the stories is public domain, Heritage Of Stars, Highway Of Eternity, the tail end of his career, sign me up, trying to sell Alex on, The Cosmic Courtship by Julian Hawthorne, The Worm Ouroboros by E.R. Eddison, a Ballantine Adult Fantasy, a 15 hour book, the ship metaphor, Saturday, books with the word Highway in the title, The Highwaymen, Planet Of Adventure by Jack Vance, a 4 book series, one big book, Star Trek guy on a space shuttle, their ship is torpedoed, some aliens that look like humans sorta, execute one of the two main character, Paul and Adam, fix his spaceshuttle and go back to Earth, a series of misfortunes, each of them have associated humans that are on their team, The Moon Moth, mostly a series of different cultures, in the plotting, the Starship series by Mike Resnick, a captain rebels against his orders and becomes a space pirate, they’re bad people, each book is a different problem, all of the adventure happens on one big planet, the author doesn’t employ hard SF, the solution to problems, quite personable, enjoyed ever book, one big book, 20 hours is normal, easy and enjoyable, a guy who likes science fiction ideas, cultural ideas, he goes underground, propagandized the humans to keep them sexually immature, drugs in their food, seems kinda relevant today, we’re actually the same species, birthed out of their brain, if you’re a really good loyal servant, mystery cults, Christianity is the opposite of a mystery cult, everybody gets to go to heaven in the end, the moslem religion is not a mystery cult, read and find out what happened, if there was a theme to it: mystery cult bad, hiding the truth, alchemy vs. science, publish and reproduce, get the decoder ring, science is about knowing, cultural techniques, drugs, bafflement, switcheroo, that’s bad, he’s not trying to revolutionize the system all at once, do good, a compelling throughline, property of the wank, the DirDir and the Pnume, the four alien groups, slightly bigger than Earth planet, free on Audible, make use of, a long but good book, The Name Of The Rose by Umberto Eco, we could do a show on that, good so far, 75 pages, Foucault’s Pendulum, early on in the Good Story Is Hard To Find podcast days, The Island Of The Day Before, learn Italian, have some vino, Numero Zero, what’s it about, conspiracy theories, secret societies, nice, good, segments, satirical, esoteric references, it needed an index, demonstrate the Earth’s rotation, Eco rejects, apart from the title, another subtle literary joke, a 17th century historical search for the secret of longitude, references to previous novels, a crucial plot point, first right of refusal, the test audience for that, a pretty difficult part of Catholic history, the boat rocking back and forth, the type of novel that it is, some profound stuff, full of ideas, lot of action movies, crying movies, a seven minute story, get mad at the story, Tea For Two by Joan Mosby, designed to be readable for little kids, if it was a ghost story, ghost sisters, the nicest street in the ghost town, if everybody’s ghosts, what would have happened if the ghost gun had gone off, more participatory, 3 random cards, The Apparel Peril by Jesse, The End, murder ghost or robot, make jokes while writing stories, British America, Northwest American Territories, South Canada, North Colorado, North Idaho, North North Dakota, American Ocean, it’s all ours, basically American territory now, so funny, so juvenile, he’s always been twelve.
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